pure-gas.org

[litesong]

^^^ totally agree, I keep pure gas in my 2 strokes. I was working on a trail project
to a high country shelter and I ran out of saw gas. A guy with a new saw didn't
want me missing all the fun..over by the cooler.. so he put some of his gas in my
old husky 141. within 10 minutes it was idling faster until the chain kept going.
Took out my older crankshaft seals just that quick!!! Thank gosh it wasn't
the 3120 !
The motorsports shop says some of these ethanol gas blends do not work with
some 2 stroke oils, and it takes out the bearings real quick. He is a busy man
these days so there might be something to that. Even though my newer 2 stroke
stuff is supposed to be fine with 10% I stay away from it. Once I jetted my quad
to it , it works fine with it, its 4 stroke.
My festy sometimes "check engine lights" me a o2 code on ethanol but that is because
I have it on the lean side of the window through VAF adjustments. Some with more
than 10%, they are not too accurate about % will blink the light. Pure gas didn't do
it but I haven't had that in the car in a long time.
Diesel....avoid the bio stuff until everybody has it figured out, way to many
problems with the stuff.

I noted from pure-gas.org that you have 4 stations that sell 100% pure gasoline, but it says all stations only sell higher octane 100% pure gasoline. Is that true or can you get 100% pure gasoline with 87 octane in your area. If you have knowledge of stations NOT in pure-gas.org, please add your information to the website.

Also, do you have to buy 100% pure gasoline in gasoline containers or can you pour it directly into your vehicle's gas tank?

[Movin]

I noted from pure-gas.org that you have 4 stations that sell 100% pure gasoline, but it says all stations only sell higher octane 100% pure gasoline. Is that true or can you get 100% pure gasoline with 87 octane in your area. If you have knowledge of stations NOT in pure-gas.org, please add your information to the website.

Also, do you have to buy 100% pure gasoline in gasoline containers or can you pour it directly into your vehicle's gas tank?

Funny you asked, I take containers in to fill them but somebody told me
just the other day they wont let him fill his truck, and yes high octane only.

[litesong]

Funny you asked, I take containers in to fill them but somebody told me
just the other day they wont let him fill his truck, and yes high octane only.

Thank you for your answers. It would seem that Oregon doesn't know what its policy should be on 100% ethanol-free gasoline.

[litesong]

Your area(southeast U.S.) has about the densest number of stations selling 100% ethanol-free gasoline. Use it. You have the luxury choice of picking the best price too. Go to pure-gas.org to find 5000+ stations in the U.S. & Canada selling 100% pure gas.

Its great that total stations now selling 100% pure gasoline have risen to 5500+. However, our Pacific Northwestern states have dropped in the number of stations. Months ago, a major fire at the Anacortes, WA oil refinery drove gasoline prices to nearly $4.50 for the cheap stuff! Upon repair, the price of 10% ethanol blends dropped dramatically(one day Costco sold 87 octane 10% ethanol blend for $3.24 per gallon). However, stations selling 100% pure gasoline are way high. My favorite station selling 100% pure gasoline has been stuck at $3.599 for weeks.

Tho ethanol subsidies have ended, the Fed. law requiring more percentages of ethanol be added to our fuel stocks, must be keeping the price of 100% pure gasoline high. A certain percentage of 100% pure gasoline customers must now be using dramatically cheaper 10% ethanol blends, which automatically increases ethanol percentages in our fuel stocks.

Some users of 100% pure gasoline have seen the economic advantage of 100% pure gasoline disappear, even those who report 10+% mpg gains. Those users of 100% pure gasoline that report less than 10% mpg increases, are now using 100% pure gasoline at an economic loss, altho they have the advantages of extra smoothness, quietness, extra power & possibly fewer repair bills.

[blkfordsedan]

I can tell you that the price of oil and corn have direct effect on the price of Ethanol. Since Ethanol is a substitue for gasoline, the price of oil (and therefore gasoline) dictates the market value of Ethanol. When oil goes up, gas goes up, and the Ethanol plants can sell the Ethanol for more money. Right now, there are many Ethanol plants that are temporarily shut down because they can't make any money. The price of oil is relatively low and the cost of corn is sky high.....which doesn't leave enough profit margin for the plants to operate. We will an Ethanol shortage eventually. If the Federal mandate for Ethanol blending stays the same or goes up, and the supply of Ethanol goes down, the gas prices will probably go up as a result. Once again, government intervention in action and consumer's will pay the price. The current heat and draught in the mid-west has the corn crop in dire straights, so corn prices are bound to go higher.

[Darlo]

It would be good if they raised the bar.......Make it mandatory that gas have 10% Ethanol, and give tax breaks to those who buy 30% ......

Since the research thus far shows very little to no negatives associated with Ethanol, why not?

[Movin]

Consumer demand and business ingenuity should control the ethanol industry.
If research shows a genuine benefit to change a product then grants and yes
tax credits can be offered to spur the change. This was just done with some other
green industry and it proved the market was not predictable and that all of the
green pushers were wrong to try and push their ideas on the public at the publics
expense.
Myself, I think it is a great thing to have alternative energy in homes but heavy
handed sneaky politics will bring a failure everytime. The key word above that will
bring heavy opposition is "mandatory" I also think alternative energy is great for
cars and have done a lot in that field, but ethanol is not only game out there and
throughout the country there are other alternatives that will be a much better choice.
Small business should be encouraged to forge ahead in these markets.

[getnpsi]

Ignore the press about alternative fuel and its progress, believe the oppressed...

[Darlo]

Consumer demand and business ingenuity should control the ethanol industry.
If research shows a genuine benefit to change a product then grants and yes
tax credits can be offered to spur the change. This was just done with some other
green industry and it proved the market was not predictable and that all of the
green pushers were wrong to try and push their ideas on the public at the publics
expense.
Myself, I think it is a great thing to have alternative energy in homes but heavy
handed sneaky politics will bring a failure everytime. The key word above that will
bring heavy opposition is "mandatory" I also think alternative energy is great for
cars and have done a lot in that field, but ethanol is not only game out there and
throughout the country there are other alternatives that will be a much better choice.
Small business should be encouraged to forge ahead in these markets.

Agreed......There are many things out there! It would be nice to see options too.........

[Movin]

natural gas... propane..wood gas..electric..poo gas..

[getnpsi]

if there was only a crop that has comparable corn yields that can grow in totally poisoned, neglected, or sandy/rocky soil, in really hot weather...heh

Some of it (wide menu of choose-able alt fuels) to make sense would still need to be regional and i understand that. States with a s-load of natural gas should build to supply it or research to compress it into liquid fuels. Silly infastructure and laws going in circles really killed the E thing because they simply weren't producing much here for consumers, which is BS. There are/were huge cheese plants on the west coast. In seperating whey from milk you get ethanol. The problem is they discovered that cow farts make the air quality worse in southern california as we are surrounded by mountians so the HC's couldnt blow out of the area, so they shipped cows up north or to new mexico==why milk and cheese costs more. In some areas they process the cow poop straight into pipes that can burn and boil water to make steam powered equipment run, all kinds of things. I think i saw it featured on a Canadian program discussing this "green" farm in Europe.

[blkfordsedan]

I can tell you with certainty that Bio-mass plants will be a reality very shortly. Ethanol from grasses, plant stalks and fiber, etc.. In theory, even if a corn crop fails, it could be shreaded and used for Ethanol.

[Bert]

I enrolled in a small engine repair course last winter. Both instructors said under no circumstances to run ethanol-mix fuel in small motors. One, the stuff eats gaskets and seals and the other; it has a shelf life of less than 6 months.
How you can get non-ethanol gas around here is to buy 'premium' unleaded. Course at 10 cents more per litre I certainly do not use it in a car!
There is a gas station downtown (Drummonds) that actually sells old-fashioned leaded gas for use in vintage machinery that doesn't have hardened valve seats or catalytic converters.

[Movin]

The right kind of small engine fuel or big engine fuel is alcohol...

[sc72]

Alcohol is for drinking, Nitro is for racing. Elmer Trent.