Rosie - My 1992 Gl Automatic 2016 Project

[1990new]

Sand in transmission is not a good thing
Hope the 'new' one works out for you.
Its funny how much faster you get at that stuff after a few times eh? I remember the first time i changed an engine + clutch + timing/waterpump and seals in a 7th gen civic it took me 17 hours. By the third time that summer i did it i was down to 8 and didnt have to open a haynes manual. I think i even remembered the important torque specs by the last time. It was less enjoyable third time around but at least it was one day instead of 2
Are you pulling engine and trans out together or leaving the engine in this time?


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Yes pulling the engine and trans. I will never try to pull just the transmission again on an automatic. It is so much easier to pull and put back the entire assembly. Here it is pulled for the third time and I'm sweating. Heat index is 106.
You can see the fog on the camera lens.

[1990new]

So the Junk Yard called back this morning and said they made a mistake on the listing and the transmission from the 89 was a 4 speed manual and they refunded my money. Someone came by about 1:00 and picked up the transmission they had sold me but I wasn't home and they left the torque converter, the fluid pipes, the speedometer gear and the front motor support.

This is the end of the road for Rosie being an automatic. I looked at a 1993 L 5 speed with 200,000 on it this morning and was offered everything I need to convert Rosie to manual for $300. I will be going early in the morning to pull all the part.
Anyone have a better deal than this? I will post pictures of the parts when I pull them..if I don't have a heat stroke.

[FestYboy]

Buy the whole car?

[ryanprins13]

Well if it makes you feel any better i think its better to learn to drive on a manual transmission anyway. I am very glad i did. Its unfortunate you have to go through so much work though. Is your grandson helping you every time you work on it or do you do a fair bit by yourself? It would be quite the learning experience to be that young and help you through all that


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[1990new]

Buy the whole car?

Can't.. It's in a salvage yard and they won't sell the whole car.

Well if it makes you feel any better i think its better to learn to drive on a manual transmission anyway. I am very glad i did. Its unfortunate you have to go through so much work though. Is your grandson helping you every time you work on it or do you do a fair bit by yourself? It would be quite the learning experience to be that young and help you through all that




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I was planning on teaching him the manual in any case. If he doesn't have anything else going on when I work on the car he is always anxious to come help, but I have done most of the work on Rosie myself. They won't let anyone under 16 come in the salvage yard so I'll have to pull all the 5 speed parts off myself. He will be helping me put the parts on Rosie to get her converted though.

Tomorrow I'm planning to pull the follow things from the 93.
1. Transmission
2. Starter
3. Flywheel and match plate
4. Cross Member
6. Shifter Assembly
7. Pledal Assembly
8. Axles

9. Engine wiring Harness ???

Is the ECM different? Will I need to pull that too?

Anything I've forgotten?

[FestYboy]

The ecu is different in that it has 3 plugs vs the 2 that the manual has, but there's no functional difference. The auto trans is completely analog and mechanical in its operation, just like a manual trans. There is the issue of the PRNDL switch vs the neutral safety and reverse switch for the manual, but that's a simple electrical work around. Be sure to take pics of the trans harness.

You'll want new mounts and clutch but I took that as a given.

[ryanprins13]

The mounts are different but im sure you were planning to get them. My car had 400k and i replaced all my engine/trans mounts just because but could see no visible difference compared to the old ones, they were about the same stiffness and no difference in how it shook or drove after. Just inspect the mounts to see if their any good.
I would get new output shaft seals and a cheap ebay clutch kit.
The cv shafts are probably the same but if they look to be in goodshape and are cheap may as well take them.
Be careful with the reverse and neutral sensors on the trans. The wires tend to get brittle and break right at the sensor.


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[FestYboy]

The axles do not swap auto to manual.

Do not get a "cheap e-bay clutch", get a Luk or every for a quality stock replacement. I've beaten the snot out of both and they just take the abuse. Pay the extra 10 bux.

I can't say anything else to the contrary of the above post.

[Advancedynamix]

Stay away from the sachs clutch kit. Exedy (instead of every) is what Arty meant I think. Exedy is my choice.

[FestYboy]

^ yes! Damn you auto correct! Lol

[1990new]

Thanks for the reminders all... anyone else think of anything please chime in.
The deal was I can pull everything I need for the conversion for $300, so I will definitely get the axles.
I hope I can just leave the transmission mounted to the cross member so the mounts will definitely be included.
And since my grandson will be learning to drive a stick in this car, I will be installing a new Exedy clutch.
New axle seals will be installed too and I also have a new shifter shaft seal that I ordered a while back from FourGreen.

[ryanprins13]

What i meant by cheap ebay clutch was spend $80-100 for an exidy or whatever rather than 2-3 times that for the same thing at the local parts store. Should have been more clear, sorry :p
If you figure out how to change the shift shaft seal from the outside let me know please. I bought one but it looks to me like you have to take the trans apart and change it from the inside. I might have missed something obvious and it could be doable from the outside though



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[sketchman]

I think it's been mentioned that some trans can change the shift shaft seal from outside, and some can't.

If it looks like you can't, then you're probably right.

Might be worth modding from the outside to make it work instead of taking the trans apart, though. IDK how much room there is to work with, but cut off the stock piece and fit a collar with a bolt through the shaft and collar to mate with the shift linkage?

[1990new]

Yep.. it does look like the case would have to be removed and lots of other thing to be able to get the shift rod out.
It does appear that oil has been leaking at the shift rod so I may have to tackle this job and also see what the transmission looks like on the inside.
Know what you mean about the clutch kits.. you can get the good ones on ebay and amazon at better prices the most parts places. RockAuto doesn't have any of the Exedy kits in stock right now.

Today I got the following pulled from the car without having a heat stroke. Took my water cooler and must have drunk over a gallon of water.
Shifter linkage
Pedal Assembly with switches (this was the hardest..even harder because I could only open the driver door partially because it was so close to the next car. Had to remove the steering column to get at it.)
Clutch Cable
Engine Harness
Drained the transaxle and then pulled the CV axles (one is definitely bad and the other is questionable).
They came out fairly easlily.
Starter
Speedometer cable
I broke loose all the transmission to engine bolts and the cross member to body bolts.
Tomorrow I will take my trailer to haul everything home.
All I have to do now is remove the engine/transmission with cross member and also the flywheel.
They have rolling A frames with chain falls that I can use to lower the engine and transmission to the ground and then I can separate it from the engine there and then remove pressure plate and flywheel.
Should take no more than an hour or so unless I run into some stubborn bolts.

The car was pretty much intact after having been there 6 weeks.
This is the green car that I had listed in the FS for Sam last year.
He sold it to someone locally in December and apparently they didn't do anything with it and then sold it to the salvage yard in May. It had 200,000 the odometer but with a little work it would have made someone a decent ride.

[ryanprins13]

If you do take it apart consider replacing the input shaft seal as well as the shift shaft.
I just replaced my transmission and will be driving it home for the first time today. I drained my old atf which was pretty new and put it in this transmission. Going to drive 60km home and then drain it and put new stuff in. It sat with the speedo cable and cv shafts out for quite a while so hopefully that flushes out any dirt that got in it. You might consider doing the same in case the fluid in there was really old, atf is cheap. How did the fluid you drained out of it look? I plan to put syncromesh in mine once im sure the transmission is ok.
Sounds like you need new cv shafts, best to do both at once if your going to replace them. Dont want to stick the old ones in and then have issues removing them the week after.
Brake cleaner is your friend when cleaning the outside of the transmission. i started with degreaser and a pressure washer on mine which went super slow and didnt work very well, but brake cleaner took care of it in a hurry


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